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3 Cocktails In
Addicting conversations between friends who have been there, done that and still want more.
We are 3 friends who got this crazy idea to start a podcast based on our friendships, family lives, professional lives and experiences! This idea kept coming up in our conversations, especially after a cocktail or two or maybe three, and we finally decided to ACT on it!
We don't claim to be experts on too many things, but friendship? Well, we've got that down. We're making our way through major life changes, searching for work that excites us, busting myths associated with 'old' people, and keeping a sense of humor about it all.
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Amy, Kitty & Stacey
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Martha Stewart: From Homemaker to Media Mogul with a Twist!
What happens when a homemaker transforms into a media mogul? As we sip on our signature "Nefertini" and a fresh tequila concoction, we untangle the complexities of Martha Stewart's rise to fame through her enthralling Netflix documentary. In this episode, we challenge the notion of success being solely a result of one's environment versus the ability to craft one's destiny. Martha's journey from homemaking to empire-building offers lessons in seizing opportunities that align with one's surroundings, a skill she honed to perfection.
We embark on a captivating exploration of Martha Stewart's life, from her entry into the male-dominated finance world to her groundbreaking approach to publishing, which shattered the mold of the traditional homemaker. Rather than striving for superwoman status, Martha embraced her role as an everywoman, teaching others through her media prowess. We reflect on her resilience and perfectionism, influenced by her strict upbringing, and discuss how these traits fueled her relentless pursuit of excellence and innovation.
The conversation shifts to Martha's personal life, revealing the complexities beneath her polished public persona. Her tumultuous marriage and emotional challenges paint a picture of vulnerability that resonates with many. We marvel at her remarkable resurgence post-imprisonment and her innovative partnerships, including her unexpected collaboration with Snoop Dogg. Through Martha's story, along with insights from other inspiring women like Taylor Swift and Ina Garten, we celebrate the power of resilience, adaptability, and the daring spirit that often accompanies life's later chapters. Join us for a thought-provoking evening of cocktails and conversation.
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Speaker 2:Well, good evening.
Speaker 4:Everyone cheers welcome to another episode of three cocktails. And how are you guys tonight? Cheers, cheers we're having pink drinks.
Speaker 2:What do you? What have you mixed up there? I?
Speaker 4:have our signature cocktail oh yep, it's the old Grey Goose Citron poma and some lemon cello and a little swirl of orange zest, and it's fabulous is that what we?
Speaker 2:is that what we named the nefertini?
Speaker 4:yes, pretty much. Yeah, you remember when we used to add soda or tonic to it, or fresca. Yeah, now just going straight shots, okay well, there's there, there you go.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I still. You know I'm a little, you know, kind of weak, so mine still has Fresca in it. Yeah, mine has Fresca. Good old, I'm still working on this black cherry Fresca.
Speaker 4:It's very seasonal that black cherry. I bet it's pretty it is, it is.
Speaker 2:That sounds good. I'm going to put that on my grocery list for next week. There you go.
Speaker 4:I also found a recipe as we're talking about next week and cocktails, um for a tequila, ginger sort of, margarita mule sort of thing, and it looked really good and I sent it to all my children's and the responses I got I said you know, do we like tequila? And I got I'm in, I love tequila. Yes, tequila with pomegranate juice would be healthy for us, and one I don't mind tequila. So I think we found our cocktail. Yes, okay, tequila, it is Yep, tequila. I'm sure that that was present when Mary and Joseph celebrated the birth of Christ.
Speaker 4:I'm sure, yes.
Speaker 3:Yep.
Speaker 4:Yeah.
Speaker 3:I'm sure.
Speaker 2:Well, these are all very fancy concoctions, which sort of makes sense for what we're going to talk about tonight.
Speaker 2:A little bit I don't know A little bit. We have been wanting to dig in and talk a little bit about the Martha Stewart documentary and that's what we're going to dig into tonight. So I think last week we teed this up and we said you guys, go watch it. It's on Netflix. Watch it so that you, when you listen to this episode, you can um, you know, talk back, talk back, right, talk back to us, agree, disagree agree exactly, so I watched it now a couple times.
Speaker 2:I think you guys probably did too. Yeah, um, yes, to just refresh memory. So I watched it again and I took copious notes oh, my Pages of notes Because I remember when I watched it the first time, there were so many things I was like oh, we need to talk about that. Oh, we need to talk about that.
Speaker 2:So, yeah, yeah, one of the first things that hit me right at the very beginning, I think it was even in the introduction. Um, who I think it was probably actually I should have taken note of who was saying this, but the show didn't really have a narrator. It had different people speaking, or a friend of hers, a few different people in her life, her daughter, but someone who was speaking at the very beginning. She basically I'm paraphrasing, but she basically said in regard to people who have reached a certain level of status or success in their lives or certain level of notoriety, the question is, did they, did they create the moment or did the moment create them? Oh, great question, I know, and I just thought, oh, which is it?
Speaker 4:Yeah, I think that I think it's a little bit of both. I think you have to be well aware and in tune to what's going on around you and what you're seeing, and then you take your opportunity, you go for it, and I feel like that's kind of what Martha did.
Speaker 4:I think she did too she kind of watched what was going on, did it her way a little bit different, and then saw the opening and I know we talked about this a little bit with um, you know to that first cookbook that she even wanted to do. Yeah, you know they had a vision of what they wanted her to do and she said nope, that's not how this is gonna work. Yeah, um. So I think that she took full advantage of of the chances that were coming by.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and she talks about that, how she was very good at finding things that you know people were wanting, but there, but there wasn't that thing yet, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3:She would find reasons to do this because no one else was doing it and this because no one else was doing it. Same thing. She had a very good, um, you know, sense of what you know. Probably mostly, maybe women you know in general, but women at that time wanted to see you know whether it be in on her show in the magazines and you know.
Speaker 2:So she made. She noted that, and I think we I don't remember if we talked about this on the last episode or if we talked about it when we were prepping for this one. Amy, I think you posed the question who were her contemporaries at that time?
Speaker 4:Yes.
Speaker 2:Right, who else was doing this? And she commented and again, this was very much at the beginning that all of the women who were kind of in this space, who were that traditional homemaker and they were always shown cooking and, you know, making the home et cetera, like Betty Crocker and you know, some of these other faces of that sort of persona, they were all nice. They were nice, they were polite, they were soft-spoken nice, they were polite, they were soft-spoken Demure, demure, yes, and she, you know, I wouldn't, she wasn't a loud mouth by any means, but she wasn't that. No, she was not. Yeah, yeah. So she kind of started to stir, stir things up, um, just by kind of shaking up that, that persona that everybody just expected out of the home maker. Um, everyone was nice. Um, she, she did everything different.
Speaker 4:Yeah, like I was really interested in her upbringing and the large family. I think that there was some disconnect between parents perhaps, and she very much was her dad's daughter, which is super interesting because later on in her show her mom was on all the time and all the things she imparted were from the women in her family. That's right, but I just really felt like she was that tomboy um gardening, you know, doing the outside things yeah, right, so I would guess. And then going into finance like out of college at that time. I mean, you know she's how much older than us. Is she 80 now? Is Martha 80? How did we not check that.
Speaker 3:I'm not saying you guys, I'm saying if she's not, she's very close because I did her daughter's. Her daughter is our age, so she'd be um. You know our mother's age. In theory, I think she's 79 or 80.
Speaker 4:Yeah, so if you think about a young woman in finance, wall Street trading, well, she said there were no women's restrooms where she was working.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's how male-dominated it was. You didn't have women working there. She is 83.
Speaker 4:Oh 83, oh, okay good, all right yeah so she's been ballsy from the start and you do not. You don't come into those situations and you don't succeed in those situations unless you are not only great at what you do but you got to be able to dish it as much as you know, as well as take, and I mean I I've lots of times I think about how some of the people that they talk about their work right now I think about, oh my God, if you would have been in my office when I started. I can only I can't quite fathom how a 25 year old, 28 year old right now would would have coped in that sort of environment. Yeah, I mean brutal.
Speaker 2:It was a different world, yes, so I thought it was interesting when the interviewer asked her what do you hate? And I mean I know that the video was edited, but I thought it was interesting how she said oh, that's a difficult question, but then she rattled I hate this.
Speaker 3:I hate this. I hate this. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And funny things like she doesn't like purple and she doesn't like red, yeah, okay.
Speaker 2:But so she led with. I hate waste, I hate inefficiency, I hate avoidance, I hate impatience, I hate lack of detail, and so if you think about those things, those are all things that makes her the perfectionist that she is. And so when you hold those as your standards and you expect other people around you to, you know, meet those standards as well, of course you're going to come across as right wow, she's, she's a little hard to deal with. No, she just expects a certain level of performance.
Speaker 4:Right, I don't think she's ever. I mean, it sounded to me along the lines of what you're saying. I don't think she's ever expected anything from anybody around her that she herself does not do.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 4:Right, no, it might be in. Perhaps the again we come back to expectations, the people who have gone to work for her. We're expecting something different, right, and so it's their dissatisfaction with the job. I mean, she didn't lie to him, yeah, right yeah, yeah, yeah there's.
Speaker 3:At one point she says, you know that she wasn't trying to be superwoman, you know, by by doing all the things that she has done, she was just trying to be the every woman. You know what I mean, because they give her a lot of crap for that. You know, this is too fancy, too hard to whatever, you know, cause she was just trying to teach, um, you know, people how to do different things and it came across fancy. But her difference than, like a Buddy Crocker, julia Child, was she was teaching, she was showing the whole entertainment piece of it. You know, it wasn't just okay, here's a recipe for a cake and here's how you make it. It was, you know, yes, making the cake plus your tablescape and your, you know, all the other little fancy things to go with it, and that entire process, which included flowers from her garden and you know, you know what I mean the whole entire process and vegetables from the garden. You know, I mean all. And she was just showing how you know to do that. So I get that.
Speaker 3:People, you know, think, well, you know she could just do everything that's unattainable for most of us to be able to do. You know what she did, and I think that's missing the point. It's we might get one thing we wanted to do out of everything she was showing. I might want to do this, you kitty might want to do something else and Amy might gravitate towards something else.
Speaker 3:So it was showing a wide variety of um you know, everything recipes yes ways to entertain, things to do while you're entertaining Yep, yeah.
Speaker 2:She, you know, go ahead. So I can't remember if, again, if these were her exact words or if this was her friend who was describing her. She said she wanted to make it possible for everyone to have the home that they wanted, whether or not they had money, right.
Speaker 3:Yes, Well, that gets off onto the Kmart tangent. Yeah, you know, I mean that was very unexpected for Martha Stewart, fancy, you know, Martha Stewart with a ton of money, you know, is, you know, selling goods through Kmart, which is, more of you know, always had been thought of a lower end price point store right, but you know, it was just trying, just like you said, you know, trying to bring beautiful things into, you know, in an affordable way.
Speaker 4:Yep Well, and I don't think Kmart would have been her first option. That all came out after her stock tanked right After the whole insider trade.
Speaker 3:I don't think so. That was before. Yeah, it was before that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think so, which I think is why it was so surprising to people. Yeah, um, but again it was, and there was I can't remember who was interviewing her. One of the nighttime hosts was interviewing her and saying what are you doing with kmart? Um, you know, I mean drawing attention to the fact that people who shop at Kmart don't have any money, which is nasty. I mean, you know, that's not necessarily true, right, you know? But again she just went back to well, even people without as much money still like to have nice things. So now, here we go, people, those people, everyone to have nice things. So now here. So now here we go, people, those people, everyone can have nice things. Um, she called herself the ultimate.
Speaker 2:She called herself the modern feminist the modern, making a modern modern feminist because she was making homemaking a powerful thing rather than a subservient thing.
Speaker 4:I loved Martha Stewart, still love Martha Stewart for different reasons, reasons. But I was one of those that went to college, got married, worked for a few years, had a couple kids and decided to stay home. And you know it boggled my mom's mind that I, you know I was up the kind of that first generation where we just all assumed we were going to college. But, as we've talked about, we went to college to get a job. Very few people I know, at least who I went to college with or I went to high school with went to college and studied something they were passionate about. I mean so when I decide to stay at home, I get really into Martha Stewart, really into it, and I loved her. And I remember people looking at me and saying, how well, why do you? I mean really, really. And I'm like you know what she gave value to what I was doing. She elevated or didn't elevate, but she showed the world more to cooking than just cooking. You know she made this business and she made it acceptable and drew attention to all the things that you do in your home that add value to your family. And I find it interesting, stacey, that when we talk about Martha Stewart, you use the word fancy and you did when we were talking about it before that she was super fancy. I never really thought of her as fancy. I thought of her as super skilled and stuff I'd never seen and didn't know anything about.
Speaker 4:My mom never did fresh flowers, you know, other than I don't know. We'd bring home dandelions or something. There were no cut flowers in our house. I still can't put a bouquet of flowers together. I still can't put a bouquet of flowers together. The ribbons on presents and wrapping presents this time of year they were always the prepackaged ones that you know. You rip off the sticker on the back and you slap on the top. No clue how to do that. So I guess I didn't think of it as fancy. I thought it as just something new.
Speaker 3:And so the whole idea of why people are paying for it. I thought it as just something new and I think yeah, I think people thought it was fancy. You know, like, like, for instance, it even showed it on the thing where you can just make a turkey or you can wrap it in puff pastry and make. You know what I mean. So I just made people thought it was a little. Again, it was for entertaining. That's really her, her thing. You know, when you're entertaining, here's how you're going to. You know, make it a little other than just pulling the turkey out of the oven. You know what I mean and like, like I said, it's it was more about the presentation and you know, and the teaching people how to do something than it was. Here's the recipe, you just make it. You know what I mean. So, yeah, I agree, it was. It was, you know, more than just your typical.
Speaker 2:You know typical recipe, I think when you bring up Martha Stewart. So I mentioned it today on my live show. I said we're recording a podcast. Tonight we're going to be talking about the Martha Netflix documentary. You guys go watch it and then listen to our podcast when it drops. And I made the statement I love Martha Stewart and I had a couple of people and they were joking. But I had a couple of people comment and said you may have just lost a customer. So you right, you either love. I found that you either love Martha Stewart or you hate her. She's kind of polarizing.
Speaker 3:Well, I I could imagine, if you were younger than we are, that all you knew was when she went to prison. You know, it's possible, that's the story you know and post that, not everything, ahead of it yeah, um, okay, can we talk about her first personal life a little bit?
Speaker 2:yes, so this was one of the things that I have been dying to talk to you guys about, because it hit me the first time. I watched it and then I made sure that I was listening closely the second time to just make sure that I was taking it in correctly. So she married at 19. They went on an extended honeymoon, which is like for five weeks. They were traveling in Europe. Like who did that in 1968? I think it was 1968 or 69. Okay, so they're traveling. And do I need to be worried about spoiler alerts here?
Speaker 3:No, no, do I need to be worried about spoiler alerts here? No, no, I think if you got to this point and haven't watched it, maybe you stopped the podcast. Go watch it if you want. Yeah, and come back and listen, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:Okay. So she is there like a day or two days before going home. They're in Florence. Andy is in the hotel room. She's like I'm going to go to the Duomo, I want to go to a service or something, right? So she's there. It's just as you would expect Florence to be and she sees a handsome man and it's a very romantic experience and they kiss she's on her honeymoon.
Speaker 3:Okay, she just chalks it up to emotion.
Speaker 2:There was nothing to it other than just emotion, and it's a very fond memory that she has. I wanted to ask who's the guy? Like you know, does this guy know that it was Martha Stewart that he was kissing in the square in Florence?
Speaker 4:Yeah, interesting, I don't know. And once again, that's just Martha taking a great experience and taking it to the next level. Right yeah, anybody can go to Florence and sit in the Duomo and have this wonderful experience. Not everybody's kissing a handsome Italian man on their honeymoon, in addition to their husband.
Speaker 3:In addition to their husband right.
Speaker 2:And, I think, one of the last things that she said about that whole experience. She said everyone should experience that sort of evening. It was just the whole experience. She didn't have one single regret. She said everyone should have that kind of experience. Okay, so now fast forward and she's into the marriage. Yes, and her husband is unfaithful, right Evidently, multiple times.
Speaker 3:Multiple times, and so was she so was she with? Another person.
Speaker 4:Yes, that's what I thought was really interesting. Not just during the honeymoon. But, when they ask her about her affair and she goes oh, Andy, didn't know about that?
Speaker 3:Yeah, he didn't know, and it was nothing. He didn't know about it. Yeah, it was nothing, it wasn't important, but yet he cheated and she's all upset.
Speaker 2:Yeah. But so in her mind the difference was so she said yeah, that was nothing, I wouldn't have broken up a marriage over it. He did, he just threw me away. Oh my.
Speaker 4:God he was. So that's when I found her to be. The most endearing is when you actually get to hear the bitterness, how horrible he made her feel, how worthless he made her feel. Yeah, and I really felt for her.
Speaker 2:I'm glad, yeah, and I really felt for her. I'm glad it's. I think this is one of the reasons why I felt that the documentary was real. Yeah, because she did. She did put it all out there and for someone who is as strong as she is known, that he ripped her, she felt like nothing. She, um, she felt like garbage. She used those words and to hear someone like that, who comes across as so strong, it's you know that I feel like, okay, that's she's telling, she's telling the true story here. And even even those people that you feel has it, they've got it all together. They have these feelings and these emotions as well. So, yeah, that she was hurt by that deeply. She was hurt by that deeply. I just thought that was interesting. He cheated, it was not okay. She cheated, it was like what? There's no big deal.
Speaker 3:No big deal. I know that's the part I was stuck on. It's like no.
Speaker 4:Well, I thought the part that I was stuck on was oh, he didn't know. So like if she wouldn't have known, it might have been okay. You know, that was just interesting how it was yeah.
Speaker 2:Mm-hmm, okay, all right, where else can we go? I mean, there are just so many, so many.
Speaker 4:I I would like to go here instant and how that came about okay because I remember listening to this and she ended up going to jail for insider trading.
Speaker 3:No, no, no, no, no, no. She didn't. She didn't go to insider trading for lying to the FBI or CIA, whichever they got her on lying, it wasn't that they could not get her on insider trading. That was that whole piece about Comey how we would just wanted to make an example of her. And so it was not insider trading, it was like lying or misleading the whatever.
Speaker 4:Yes.
Speaker 3:Which is interesting.
Speaker 4:You know, back then we were, we were all watching regular network news. There was no cable news, so you just heard little bits. And so I just remember hearing that there were other people that were much other men, much further involved. That this was, she was a, she was a satellite to the core issue and she's the only one, I think, that went to prison. And that infuriated me again. Just another sign of the injustice for a successful woman. Yeah, and I was. That just bugged the crap out of me then. And so I was really interested to hear you know about her experience in jail and how in prison. And you know we all made fun of her being at some sort of country club, but she said you know it wasn't fun, it was hard, it was. You don't have anybody to talk to. What do you do? How do you? You know she made a couple friends, I think by common interests, mm-hmm.
Speaker 2:Yep, by common interests. Yep, she, um, I mean, she said everything that you've ever heard about these places is true, and as as you said it wasn't a country club right um so you didn't always feel safe, um, you know.
Speaker 3:so, yeah, it wasn't it. It probably wasn't easy. At the same time, it was only five months. I thought of that too. It's like I don't know. It would feel like forever, but it really wasn't that long. Um, I chuckled. Did you see the part when she, you know, got picked up and then walked on her jet and she had on this homemade crochet poncho? I thought she looked really good. I thought it was just, you know, here sticking it to you, you know, for putting me here and thinking that we wouldn't, do you know? Martha Stewart activities that poncho was.
Speaker 4:That poncho went viral. You did, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But I was really, I was really really um interested in how, how she had everything taken from her. Then, having gone to jail, she lost her company and had to start over and not only was she great at the entertaining piece, but she has an incredible business mind. When they got into the whole um Omnimedia, where she Kitty, as you talked about, you know a little bit on one of our last episodes, how she was and is the brand and how she had that whole thing figured out, I mean way ahead of her time. Yeah, yeah, I think, I think or you know maybe it was.
Speaker 4:Finally we got to hear something about it. But you look at martha stewart. Now look at taylor swift. Taylor swift is the brand. Yeah, taylor's got control of all these Everything, all this stuff. And I think there are so many women now that have seen Martha, whether it's on purpose, as a mentor or a path to follow. But I love when we can connect the dots to follow. But I love when we can connect the dots when you can trace back to the women who have gone before and the struggles that they've had and how they've managed to stay on their game and make it a little bit better and make it a little bit better. So, while I'm not always a Swifty with the music, I have great, great admiration for her business acumen. Just like you know, you can not like Martha Stewart, but you gotta be pretty damn impressed with her business skills.
Speaker 2:I agree, I would think so too, and same with Taylor. I agree, I'm not really into the music. But yeah, you have to have respect for um for what she's done.
Speaker 3:Yep, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:So, um so, backing up a little bit. So, amy, when you said that you know that it was just such an injustice and that she were perhaps was ended up going to prison, to you know, she was made an example of basically, um so what if we flip that upside down and ask the question so was her comeback a testament to her resilience or does it reflect how privilege can cushion setbacks?
Speaker 4:I think it has. I think it has a lot to do. In this particular case. I'll say it has to do with her resilience. Just having listened to how she grew up and how she built her business once again, yeah.
Speaker 2:I mean.
Speaker 4:I can't think of anybody right now, and that might be a clue too, um, but it would have been really easy for her to just disappear. I mean, look at Paula Dean.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah.
Speaker 4:Stuck her foot in her mouth. I mean, had some real, really bad um choices early on and you know, I don't know the whole story, but we've never seen another. Have you ever heard another thing from her?
Speaker 3:No, disappeared.
Speaker 4:And I think that could have been Martha or someone who isn't Martha, who was in that situation? What do you think?
Speaker 2:situation. What do you think? I believe it was her resilience, for sure. I think it's easy for people to say that oh, you know, she was privileged so of course she was going to be able to bounce back right away. She made every bit of her post-prison success happen because of what she had up here and just her tenacity and brains and connections I mean, you know, the connections didn't do it for her. She knew what she could do with her brand.
Speaker 4:Yeah, and I'm trying to remember if she said anything about it. But I feel like after she came out of prison I thought I something clicked that I feel like she was more open to other voices. So like she talks a little bit, I think, about doing the, the roast that they invited her to do and she never would have done it. She didn't know why she was doing it, she didn't really understand what it was, but her daughter or some other people said you need to go do this, and she listened and did it, whereas I wonder if pre-prison, if she would you know where she was at and her her path, if she ever listened to those outside voices.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, maybe not, cause that was all her company, all her doing, whereas after, you know, and she felt like she had nothing left, she had to, you know she was no longer the boss and the CEO and the owner and whatever you know what, and she felt like she had nothing left. She had to, you know, she was no longer the boss and the CEO and the owner and whatever. You know what I mean. So she probably kind of had to you know, had to listen to everybody you know.
Speaker 2:So I'm just trying to, I'm refreshing my memory here. How old was she when she got out of prison?
Speaker 4:Was she in her 60s Hmm?
Speaker 3:Did she go to prison?
Speaker 2:Why did that not? How old was Martha Stewart when she left prison?
Speaker 3:Why is it?
Speaker 4:not just handing me the answer. Somebody put that in the chatter. It's what I refer to now as the chat GPT Put that in the chatter. That's what I refer to now as the chat gpt put it in the chatter.
Speaker 2:See what comes out um, so yeah, the, and it was at that roast where she met snoop dog and that's where they developed their yeah, they're crediting, you know that roast specifically for kind of bringing her back into the, you know, spotlight.
Speaker 4:Yeah, introducing a whole new generation to her. Yeah, I love this new, the new Martha, the Martha as of the late, I think once again proving the older you get, the less you give a shit and the bolder you become.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yep.
Speaker 3:I agree, it was 20 years ago, so she was 63.
Speaker 4:Yeah, so she was in her early 60s, when she got out of jail. Yep, okay, who starts? Well, we do, we do. But to start over, yeah. At 63. Yeah 64, you know, having been on the top of the world, yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah. So there was one cringe moment in the documentary that made me just go. Oh, Martha, come on. She was in the kitchen with one of her staff.
Speaker 4:But using the wrong knife for cutting the tomatoes.
Speaker 3:But but I, the second, I caught it the second time. That was right before she was going to prison. So think about it. You know you're not very happy, you know, at the moment. So I'm gonna give her just a tiny bit of a pass and I'm sure on the bad, and I'm sure they edited it to be bad right and I'm sure there was other parts to it.
Speaker 3:Yes, she was not very kind, but again, I'm giving her a pass because it was right before she knew she had to go to prison. So she probably wasn't in the best, best moods. But I but I also would would have to agree you, you know, her staff weren't just somebody from who knows where. They should have honestly known how to cut an orange right Instead of with a piddly little knife.
Speaker 2:Yeah, one would think I just in that moment, I just knew I would never last an hour on her staff. I would be bawling and she, she always says there's no crying in business. Oh, I would be a puddle on the floor. She would. She would make me cry instantly.
Speaker 3:No, you're just like yeah, okay, I'll use another knife, whatever, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4:Yeah, she's um, she's a trip man. And did you see her at the end when she's driving her golf cart through her gardens and she's telling all the gardeners what to do and not to screw it up? Don't be cutting it all off, you know don't break the pots.
Speaker 3:Yeah, don't break the pots like okay, well, I was gonna try.
Speaker 4:I was gonna try and break the pots, but now I will try not to break the pots right dating, the obvious sort of thing, yeah. I just, I loved all of that footage and it does. It always makes me wonder in these kind of docu documentaries, what's on the cutting room floor? Yes what got, what got edited out, right, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4:I know yeah you know, I've heard it on a couple different situations. The clip where she says if you want to be happy for a year, get married. If you want to be happy for 10 years, get a dog. If you want to be happy for a lifetime, make a garden. And I, I just thought that was really. I mean, what a life to that? I know it's true about the 10 years and the dog.
Speaker 2:That's yeah, that's right yep I wrote that down too them too.
Speaker 4:So good, I'm so glad. Yeah, I'm sorry. Did you learn anything about her that made you either love her more or love her less? I mean, kitty, I know you really love her Stacey, I know that you had a lot of her magazines and, as you mentioned, probably still do in your um archive I need to go or yes, I need to go dig at through my archive and see if that's right. Wear the white gloves yeah go your your archive um. Did it change your opinion about her?
Speaker 3:no, I don't think so so.
Speaker 2:I just enjoyed learning more or seeing more. I enjoyed seeing more. Um. So, and you just hearing about her early life and you know, hearing her acknowledge there wasn't a lot of affection in her house, no, and so you know, is there really any surprise that she is? You know that matter of fact. And she's not warm and fuzzy. She said her mom wasn't affectionate, and the dad, I mean, if they did something wrong and he was like this, and if they did something wrong she'd be slapped across the face. So you're the product of your upbringing. And she even said we, how was I going to be a great parent when I really wasn't parented well myself?
Speaker 4:like I said, those episodes when she had her mom on and she was, you know, doing it the way her mom taught her and I thought she was very respectful and loving, looked very loving at her mother, yeah, you know, like she was very happy to have her mom there and share this, which now, knowing how she grew up, I think maybe age has also softened oh sure, she softened Martha about that or maybe not. I mean, what do we know? But I wouldn't have gotten that from the 12-year-old girl, martha.
Speaker 2:No, I think that as we mature and you know us, having gone through having our own kids and living the struggles that we lived with them, disciplining and helping them grow up and dealing with all of that you at a certain point acknowledge my mom and dad didn't know what they were doing when they raised us, just like we didn't know what we were doing when we raised a bow. So you come to a um acceptance of it and you don't blame them. Don't blame them. Don't blame them for it. They were doing the best that they could, based on how they were raised.
Speaker 3:Yeah, right.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah. She said that there was one picture of her in her kitchen and Martha was sitting on the floor talking on the phone and her mom was at the stove and she was cooking. And she said I sat in that kitchen with my mom and I watched everything that she did and I learned everything from her. But this cookie cutter house situation was not for me and I knew that I was going to go off to college and yeah, you know and not go back yep yeah, and you know, a lot of us didn't go back to our yeah, yeah, it's very interesting, definitely.
Speaker 3:I hope everybody listening will. If you haven't already, go watch, um. Tell us what you think. We're always asking for that. Give us some feedback and martha's martha's.
Speaker 4:The tale of martha is not just a woman's tale, right, I think men would find it very interesting, probably more insightful, maybe not having paid attention to the phenomenon that was martha stewart, yeah, yeah yeah, it could be, so I kind of feel like we should do another one.
Speaker 2:So what other? What other documentaries out there that we should put into our queue and maybe in a month and a half come back, and I don't want to watch the P Diddy one want to watch the P Diddy one.
Speaker 4:No, no, thank you. No, I didn't like him before I found out about all this BS?
Speaker 3:No, I didn't either Same. No, we don't care about that.
Speaker 4:Hey, just along these lines and I was thinking about, you know, when we were talking about Martha. These lines and I was thinking about, you know, when we were talking about Martha, talking about entertaining, brought brought to mind Ina Garten. Yeah, garten's show is all about going beyond the food and the energy. She has a new book that's out that talks about her life. Also very interesting woman who went and worked for um, I don't know if it was. I mean, she was in dc working for one of the, the big uh government branches of government and then got married, young, um um, with Jeffrey, but at one point, um, I find her, I find her success story very interesting as well.
Speaker 4:So maybe we got an audio book and and reevaluate these women, icons of the. You know again, they're business people, it's. It's what's so interesting to me is the, how they take this nugget of something they love to do or notice that people don't do. As you know, martha said where what is missing from the landscape Um, I'm, I'm the landscape, um, yeah, I'm, I'm, I should have asked for that book for christmas.
Speaker 2:Didn't know that she had a new book out.
Speaker 4:Yeah, very recent and I have heard some clips about it, so I think it might be um again, um, that's a good idea written if it's written at all like her cookbooks, it's not going to be a hard read. I enjoy her cookbooks I have four of them and I really do again like the photographs and I like the stories that are told with it. But they're very attainable dishes, cool.
Speaker 3:Hey, on that note of cooking. That note of cooking, um, this is not a shot, but this is a comment about last week's episode about the Christmas flops and um mishaps, uh-oh, what happened. Yes, so I, I, after this mishap, I have decided that I will no longer, no longer, ever, make a recipe from the interwebs, or even maybe Pinterest. I'm going to make tried and true family recipes or ones where I've had it and you give me the recipe, because it's so great Not doing weird stuff that I think looks really good.
Speaker 4:So what did you make that was disappointing?
Speaker 3:Well, I had some leftover, you know, in my quest to use up alcohol. Okay alcohol, okay Right. So this may be the first problem. No, I saw a recipe for, oh my gosh, not hot damn, but cinnamon whiskey.
Speaker 4:Oh yeah, fireball whiskey balls, right and basically, like I know, right. So, okay, I got to hear what you thought was going to be good with this Right.
Speaker 3:So think, cake ball. I mean, I like a cake ball and I like that white chocolate stuff on the outside. I know, see, right. But I figured, oh, somebody in my family is going to like them because we like fireballs. So I thought that would be good. Oh my God, they. They were bad. I threw them away okay, so it would. It was fireball, cake balls yes, yes, right, yeah, the problem with them. It wasn't like a cake ball. It had cream cheese in it, so it's almost like you know this is sounding worse and worse, it does well, it was bad.
Speaker 4:It was bad. Fireball did you have while you were reading this recipe? No, didn't have any, no, um every time I hear the word fireball, I think back to the gustavus homecoming that they had fireball as a theme and the college kids went bananas with it. You know, homecoming was sponsored by fireball alcohol, which is still not what it was, but, you know, always makes me laugh.
Speaker 1:Oh my. Nope Going back to fireball.
Speaker 3:What was that? What did you say I'm going to pass on the fireball. What was that? What did you say I'm gonna pass on the fireball? Yes, fireball is not for me. I just thought it would be nice cinnamon. You know a nice cinnamon vanilla thing? Oh, no, it was terrible. No, and it wasn't really the fireball that was the problem, it was the cream cheese in the in the cake mix is just too weird, very weird. So yeah, did I tell you guys?
Speaker 4:did I say it on during the um, the last taping, or did I say it afterwards that one of my last um match dates, my first date with a man? First and only date with a man? We went out to this very, very cool bar um that I'd never been to. Great call on the bar char bar in minneapolis. So if you're in minneapolis it's part of butcher and board down um on um in the north loop, the, the far end of north loop. Great place, great cocktails.
Speaker 3:He ordered a captain's and coke well, I mean, some people just like a drink that they always like. I mean, he used to make fun of me. You still do make fun of some of the things I drink, however.
Speaker 4:Yeah, it was that the reason like he only got one date is because of his drink choice isn't up to your high standard you're sitting there with with a variety of craft cocktails and there was rum and other cocktails, and there's all these beautiful bottles of all these different alcohols and you go with a captain morgan's and coke and she goes, um, yeah, we don't have captain morgan's, we do have a spiced rum. He goes, that'll be good. I'm like, oh my god, is this 1988, 89, where we're just ordering a rum and diet coke?
Speaker 2:well, maybe that's what maybe that's what he likes. If it was bill bill, would have ordered a Jack and Diet.
Speaker 4:Coke Okay, but I do not think a Captain Morgan's is a grown man's drink. Fight me on that. Have at it, people. I'd love to hear if I'm out of my mind with that.
Speaker 3:Yeah, we'll see.
Speaker 4:So you think your taste should evolve evolve as you get older yeah right yeah, yeah, or you know if you're hanging on the boat with your pals and you want to drink a captain's morgan. Captain, you know, go ahead, but no, no okay.
Speaker 3:Well, I hope we get some feedback on that and see what everyone I'm not going on another date with him.
Speaker 4:Um, I have been on two dates and I have a third date coming up this coming weekend, so with the same there may be more to tell with the same person.
Speaker 3:Is that what you're saying? Who knows? You just never know.
Speaker 4:That's right. You just never know. We might do my year in review of 2024 on match. Yeah, I might need another cocktail. I might have to pour a pitcher. There you go.
Speaker 3:Yes, all. Right, you go, yes All right, ladies, okay, well, fabulous.
Speaker 2:Don't have any idea what we're talking about next, but it will be riveting, so it always is All right. You guys have a fabulous week. Cheers to everyone. Thank you so much for listening. We'll see you all soon. Bye.
Speaker 3:Bye, bye-bye, bye-bye.
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